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« on: April 02, 2008, 03:06:24 PM »

Păcat că nu are data de ieri. Īn rest, no comment.

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« Reply #1 on: April 02, 2008, 03:35:12 PM »

Aveti un format Open. Ar trebui sa va bucurati.

Din pacate pentru ca are sigla "Microsoft" automat o dati in balarii. Zealotismul asta...

Bucurati-va ca e Open si ajutati la implementarea lui in OO si/sau alte softuri, daca chiar va pasa de formatele Open. Altfel nu va mai plangeti.

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« Reply #2 on: April 02, 2008, 03:41:38 PM »

http://noooxml.org :



Hai să-l implementăm:

Quote from: Jan Wildeboer, Solution Architect at RedHat
OOXML was created solely for use in Microsoft applications. It is not currently suitable as an international standard, because it cannot be completely implemented by anyone without access to inside information. Although it is more than 6,000 pages long, it contains various references to things that are defined only in Microsoft's software, not in the specification itself.

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« Reply #3 on: April 02, 2008, 05:18:32 PM »

Cat de trist. Cat de trist. De 3 ori trist. Le-au inchis ochii astia de la Microsoft (cu bani si/sau vorbe).
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« Reply #4 on: April 02, 2008, 06:29:12 PM »

Microsoft are specificatii closed => fanii linux se intristeaza.
Microsoft are specificatii open => fanii linux se intristeaza.
Microsoft adera la un standard (chiar si al lor) => fanii linux se intristeaza.

Numai eu vad ceva trist aici? Cei cu ura asta absolut gratuita?

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« Reply #5 on: April 02, 2008, 06:51:56 PM »

Faptul ca OpenDocument e in lucru de mult, si ei, in loc sa colaboreze cu realizatorii OpenDocument (care ulterior a devenit si un standard), au realizat un format de document propriu, pe care acum il imping drept standard international? Cu oamenii si experienta Microsoft in domeniu acum OpenDocument era la versiunea 3.0, nu 1.1 Smiley

Istoria OpenDocument: http://opendocument.xml.org/milestones
MS Office 2007 nici nu cred ca era inca in lucru cand Microsoft s-ar fi putut alatura celor care sustineau OpenDocument.

OpenXML are o multime de chicite de compatibilitate. De ce ar trebui ca OpenOffice, KOffice, Google Docs in 2015 sa implementeze chestii de backwards compatibility provenite din Win16, Excel 1.0, Word 1.0? La sisteme de operare e una, iar la formate de documente office e alta. Cu o serie de convertoare capabile ai rezolvat 99% din probleme. Iar pentru restul ai suita Office "legacy".
Plus ca Microsoft a mai rupt o data compatibilitatea cu propriile formate, cu Office 97.

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Microsoft adera la un standard (chiar si al lor) => fanii linux se intristeaza.
La standarde se adera dupa ce sunt publicate si acceptate. Microsoft nu a aderat la standardul de documente curent, OpenDocument, ci a creat si impus un "standard" propriu.
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« Reply #6 on: April 02, 2008, 07:49:29 PM »

OOXML nu are NIMIC legat de compatibilitate. Chestile de compatibilitate sunt in formatul vechi, care btw, MS a facut open si specificatiile aluia.

Daca vreau (si am bani, resurse, etc), eu pot sa fac standard ISO si modul in care ma incalt la pantof. Exista nenumarate standarde, si ODF era deja unul din ele. De ce va revoltati voi ca si Microsoft a mai facut un standard? Aveti chichita asta ca Microsoft == evil si nu vedeti mai mult de orizontul propriu. Ar trebui sa vedeti ca MS face acum documente XML care se pot/se vor putea vedea si edita la fel oriunde, pentru ca standardul e Open.

Iar Microsoft nu a impus nimic. De unde atata FUD? N-ai decat sa folosesti ce vrei si sa obligi userii MS Office (95%) sa-si instaleze pluginuri. Gratuite desigur, dar trebuie instalate.
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« Reply #7 on: April 02, 2008, 08:20:34 PM »

singurul lucru pt care microsoft a facut un format deschis au fost banii.
Daca nu ma insel uniunea europeana a dat o lege prin care spune ca institutiile de stat trebuie sa foloseasca un format deschis. Din cauza asta microsoft pierdea o gramada de bani pt ca nu avea niciun format.
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« Reply #8 on: April 02, 2008, 08:28:08 PM »

Eu nu mai spun nimic ca n-am cu cine vorbi.
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« Reply #9 on: April 02, 2008, 09:15:15 PM »

aramdune: toată lumea īți dă argumente și tu ne zici că suntem răi că nu ne place microsoft. ...
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« Reply #10 on: April 02, 2008, 09:25:15 PM »

FUD si zealotism Linuxist. Programatorul Microsoft Zen din mine tace.

Trebuie sa-mi echilibrez Karma.

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« Reply #11 on: April 02, 2008, 11:47:07 PM »

Nu cred că mai acum pe calculator, dar te poftesc să iei specificaţiile OOXML, şi să dai un Ctrl-F după chestii de genul celor descrise aici: http://www.robweir.com/blog/2006/01/how-to-hire-guillaume-portes.html.

Microsoft face ce e mai bine pentru companie şi pentru clienţii lor - păstrează compatibilitatea cu ce au făcut īnainte. Ceea ce e perfect normal şi raţional pentru ei, dar nu īnseamnă că e şi bine pentru noi.

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Duh:
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2.15.3.51 suppressTopSpacingWP (Emulate WordPerfect 5.x Line Spacing)

This element specifies that applications shall emulate the behavior of a previously existing word processing application (WordPerfect 5.x) when determining the resulting spacing between lines in a paragraph using the spacing element (§2.3.1.33). This emulation typically results in line spacing which is reduced from its normal size.

[Guidance: To faithfully replicate this behavior, applications must imitate the behavior of that application, which involves many possible behaviors and cannot be faithfully placed into narrative for this Office Open XML Standard. If applications wish to match this behavior, they must utilize and duplicate the output of those applications. It is recommended that applications not intentionally replicate this behavior as it was deprecated due to issues with its output, and is maintained only for compatibility with existing documents from that application. end guidance]
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« Reply #12 on: April 03, 2008, 02:28:44 AM »

Deci... avem doua formate standarde ISO: OOXML si ODF.
Nu trebuie decat sa-l sustinem pe cel care ne place, iar celalalt va disparea "in oblivion" de la sine.
Aram is right. Care-i problema?




ok... problema e ca stim tacticile MS, dar ODF inca are şanse. we just have to push it.
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« Reply #13 on: April 03, 2008, 03:27:13 AM »

Detalii gasiti aici:

http://rsandu.myblog.ro/post/2008/04/02/microsoft-office-open-xml-a-fost-aprobat-ca-standard-iso


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« Reply #14 on: April 03, 2008, 06:57:30 AM »

That's so 12 hours ago  Scoate limba
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